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| Topic Started: Jan 25 2010, 09:02 PM (372 Views) | |
| ratedXsour | Jan 26 2010, 09:34 AM Post #31 |
We are the mutant race, Don't look at my eyes Don't look at my face.
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| Cybrus | Jan 26 2010, 10:28 AM Post #32 |
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You know, rXs, I wish you'd stop making up silly quotes and attaching my name to it.  I really liked that by-the-numbers video package they showed this week. It was great hype for the Rumble. That one package alone made me want to purchase the Rumble more than anything else on the Rumble card!  I'm guessing WWE didn't like the face pop Orton was getting last week in his showdown with Sheamus because they kept him away from the live crowd all night except for his sneak attack. Too bad. Orton could be a helluva huge anti-hero character for WWE. |
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| midget | Jan 26 2010, 01:32 PM Post #33 |
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So I was just reading the results and it said Sheamus was the winner of his match with Cena due to interference. Are WWE not going with Cena's 'I will not lose' angle anymore? Good job. |
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| MakeYourself85 | Jan 26 2010, 01:42 PM Post #34 |
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Isn't it funny how both persons who are fighting for the WWE Title end up beaten down in the ring to close the show? |
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| ratedXsour | Jan 26 2010, 02:09 PM Post #35 |
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We are the mutant race, Don't look at my eyes Don't look at my face.
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Silly quote? not really, more a state of thought. I told you I was merely being sceptical. Anyway, I have seen RAW up to Sheamus/Cena, I'm fully aware of how the show ends, Seeing that McMahon as invited Hitman to RAW next week now, I wonder if they talk of facing one another at WM26. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 26 2010, 02:11 PM Post #36 |
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I really hope Bret brings in the Hart Dynasty as backup. It'd be a great rub for the Dynasty. |
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| ratedXsour | Jan 26 2010, 02:19 PM Post #37 |
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Agreed! Hart Dynasty got much potential, That would be a great way to push them. I thought there was going to be much more heat between the Harts and DX, back when DX picked up the unified titles. Am I the only person who is really not interested in MVP in an angle with The Miz? It isn't the Miz It's MVP I find him so boring now, he was much better when he was heel on SD! |
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| Cybrus | Jan 26 2010, 02:21 PM Post #38 |
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I thought the promo the two had last week was money. Or was it the week before? Whichever week where it started with Miz talking about not being able to change in the locker room for 6 months, then MVP came out and interrupted him. That was a great promo that made me interested in their feud. But it's gone down since then. Miz is definitely money, but MVP (as face) is just boring. |
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| ratedXsour | Jan 26 2010, 02:25 PM Post #39 |
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We are the mutant race, Don't look at my eyes Don't look at my face.
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Yeah exactly my point. The promo your referring to was the one with Miz starting off backstage, giving JBL heat? That was actually one of the best segments of RAW I have seen this month. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 26 2010, 02:27 PM Post #40 |
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Yeah, that one. And then he walked to the ring and MVP came out and interrupted him. I thought the promo was going to tank when MVP came out since he's really corny as face, but the two really delivered a strong ass promo that night. |
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| 15 Shows | Jan 29 2010, 05:06 PM Post #41 |
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ALL faces are boring. I thought this was clear to you people by now. Anyway, I watched a little bit of wrestling this week. RAW is still better then Smackdown or TNA. Smackdown was pretty boring and TNA, well thats just pathetic. WWE has recreated the Bret Hart screw job like 4 times. TNA is just like watching WWE repeats. Hey kids wanna know what was happening in WWE 15 years ago. Turn to SPIKE TV for something called TNA. |
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| --CM DRUNK-- | Jan 29 2010, 06:49 PM Post #42 |
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Smackdown was excellent last year. When they had Edge, Punk, Hardy and Jericho. Now it's not all that great, i mean Jericho losing to R-Truth? What the hell is that. Jericho should be Main Eventing every show and every PPV. TNA is just shit, poor production, poor acting, poor wrestling. |
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| WWEWhoseLine48 | Jan 29 2010, 07:18 PM Post #43 |
The Official D-TIME Generation has come
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Absolutely freakin' true. FREE Y2J!!! I still look at this whole "PG" thing when thinking about quality of shows. I mean it's pretty obvious Raw has been hit really hard by it because it was always branded (event until '07 or '08 when they made the switch) as the "uncut, uncooked, uncensored" show. But SmackDown shouldn't really be worried about it because it was always a PG show anyway. But it seems like the quality of their show has gone down in pretty much the same way, save for a few months when they've had the wrestling to back it up. I think it's pretty much from lack of stars at this point. I know the two SD events I went to last year the first question I asked both times was "wait...does SD even have anybody good at this point?" and the only name I could think of was Jericho because Undertaker never seems to be around. I never had to ask that for Raw, but I mean Raw is definitely being held down by that kid crap. |
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| 15 Shows | Jan 29 2010, 11:23 PM Post #44 |
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Well wrestling as a whole as become like a job to try and get into. Its hard to like something so predictable when there is something like UFC out there. But with Bret back and Trips, Orton still there and Edge coming back soon, I gotta at least pay attention. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 30 2010, 09:56 AM Post #45 |
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There is no way that Raw is the superior wrestling brand. It's shit and has been shit for months. You've got DX running around doing the same corny ass shit with Hornswoggle each week. You've got guests hosts that no one cares about being either hit or miss each week. You've got a women's division that somehow mutes the entire crowd every week. You've got a nobody as the top champion. It has just been a completely horrible show. Miz, Orton, and Jericho have been the only good things about Raw for ages. SmackDown! is nowhere near as good as it used to be, but it is a much better show. CM Punk is working to establish his heel faction and is getting over better than any heel faction since Evolution. Batista's heel turn has been a pleasant surprise to watch. The women's division actually has direction, fan interest, and excitement with LayCool tormenting Mickie James and Beth Phoenix either saving or hurting James each week. And while Undertaker as champion is nothing new or overly exciting, at least he is an established main eventer, proven main eventer and...you know...an actual main eventer! TNA is going through a lot of growing pains right now with Hogan and Bischoff trying to change the image of the company. As a whole, though, it is a much better and more entertaining show than Raw, easily. So ranking the three shows, I'd say SD! reigns supreme, TNA comes in a far distant second, and Raw brings in the rear. As usual. |
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| New Noise | Jan 30 2010, 12:50 PM Post #46 |
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I agree with Cybrus completely. I was reading the Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards and couldn't believe that Impact beat out Raw for the worst weekly television show of the year. Sure, TNA is bad, but Raw is often hard for me to watch. If the show was not taped live, I would not even bother watching it anymore. Even Bret "The Hitman" Hart cannot save the epitome of awfulness that Raw has become. Shows, this is not fucking 2004 anymore. You sound like a moron that hasn't watched wrestling on television for at least three years. It is no secret that Raw may be the worst brand in all of the WWE, even behind ECW. I'm pretty sure Vince McMahon has even come to realize that, himself. Edited by New Noise, Jan 30 2010, 12:54 PM.
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| MakeYourself85 | Jan 30 2010, 02:46 PM Post #47 |
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Impact and Raw are bad, they're usually the two worst wrestling shows weekly.
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| 15 Shows | Jan 30 2010, 04:41 PM Post #48 |
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Yup, so we agree all 3 shows are absolute shit. Good. We just have different prefence to where the shit may be ranked. Doesn't really matter does it, if it's all shit. Maybe I'm the smart one for not watching? Hmm. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 30 2010, 05:53 PM Post #49 |
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SD! was actually great this week. Impact was very good this week. Raw was just shit. |
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| 15 Shows | Jan 30 2010, 08:12 PM Post #50 |
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Great? Wow youve really lowered your standards as to what is great huh? Smackdown was horrible and TNA was as sad as usual. |
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| --CM DRUNK-- | Jan 31 2010, 04:16 AM Post #51 |
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Why do you watch it then if you're just going to sook about it? |
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| MakeYourself85 | Jan 31 2010, 04:25 AM Post #52 |
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I thought Raw was average at best this week. Same with Impact (slightly above Raw, but just barely), and SD being higher above both shows.
Edited by MakeYourself85, Jan 31 2010, 04:25 AM.
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| 15 Shows | Jan 31 2010, 06:38 AM Post #53 |
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If u were here before, u would know that I was once the biggest WWE fan here. I boasted about how great WWE was and nothing compared. I loved RAW and watched every episode every week and defended it till the end. However, about a year ago, I lost interest and stopped watching. So don't accuse me of being one of those people who watches even though they dont like it, like almost everyone who posts here. I stopped watching because I dont like. I just decided to check it out the past couple weeks. Still not good, so I doubt I will continue to watch it. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 31 2010, 06:54 AM Post #54 |
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There wasn't anything bad about SD! this week. The opening promo between DX and Punk was great and was probably DX's best promo in ages. Punk vs Triple H was a good match, albeit with a cheap finish. Jericho and R-Truth put on a good match. I don't mind that Jericho lost since wrestlers lose. Morrison vs McIntyre delivered another good match with a solid promo before. And Rey vs HBK closed the show with another good match. Over all, great show. Nothing else came close this week. Impact was better than Raw, but that isn't saying very much. |
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| 15 Shows | Jan 31 2010, 06:57 AM Post #55 |
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Yup I didnt watch Smackdown, so....I'll just continue to assume it sucked, because you like Lord Of The Rings. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 31 2010, 06:59 AM Post #56 |
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Which is why absolutely no one takes you seriously about anything. |
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| Nebuchanezzar | Jan 31 2010, 08:03 AM Post #57 |
Glory to the HBK
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If I may speak for Shows, I'll state that we don't watch wrestling to watch people pretend to fight. We watch it to be entertained, which coincidentally, occasionally includes pretend fighting. 4/5 of the things there you mentioned were matches. This is not acceptable to me and I'm sure that 15Shows agrees in that there needs to be far more bulk around the core matches. I'm tempted to watch Smackdown but it's so bloody slow, drawn out and depressing. Say what you want of RAW but for the past few weeks that I've been watching (after taking a lengthy absense) it's been pretty fast paced.
two can play at this game. There is no way that Smackdown is the superior wrestling brand. It's shit and has been shit since JBL took off. You've got CM Punk parading around the same lame ass gimmick every week. You've got amateur commentators stumbling over words who couldn't commentate a Steve Austin comeback with any sense of excitement. You've got an old dinosaur who should have retired about five years ago running the championship fighting a Mexican midget and you've got Batista whose heel turn has been...pretty entertaining actually. Batista and Jericho have been the only good things on Smackdown for ages. RAW is nowhere near as good as it used to be, but it is a much better show. DX continues to entertain crowds unlike any other wrestlers and while their gimmick isn't new, it remains funny, unlike almost anything else in the WWE. Guest hosts week in week out provide new fodder for wrestlers to work with,The Miz and MVP continue a very exciting feud and both will be surefire main eventers in a few years. The recent feud between DX and Jericho was excellent, and Bret Hart and Vince McMahon are building to one of the biggest and most well developed showdowns of all time. Orton remains great, Cena is bearable when he's not dominating, and the commentators can actually commentate! While Sheamus's run as champion leaves much to be desired, at least he's new and fresh to watch. Edited by Nebuchanezzar, Jan 31 2010, 08:11 AM.
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| Cybrus | Jan 31 2010, 12:59 PM Post #58 |
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I actually agree with all this. I do not find DX's humor to be funny in the least and I could really give two shits about commentators, and the guests host are completely hit or miss, but the quoted portion is agreeable, at least. 
I don't either. If wrestling were just match driven, then I doubt I'd be a fan. Actually, I know I wouldn't be a fan. I'm a storyline fan. I like to see storylines advance. And they can advance through promos (which, are usually what I watch for), backstage skits, or through matches. Of the 4 matches I listed, three continued storylines: Firstly, DX has a scheduled to defend their tag team titles against CM Punk and Luke Gallows. It was suppose to happen on this week's SD!, but the match didn't take place. So Triple H vs Punk helped continue that storyline in the ring after a very solid promo immediately prior to the match. Speaking of DX, Triple H's running buddy continued his Taker storyline by having a stand out match against Taker's Royal Rumble opponent, Rey Mysterio. We actually saw interference from Batista, which also continued his heel storyline against Rey along with Taker ending the show with a chokeslam on both Rey and HBK. Loads of storyline advancement there. The Morrison/McIntyre match was most likely a blow-off to their excellent IC feud since A) It was a gimmick match and B) they've been feuding for a while now. These two are working proof that just having great matches doesn't get you truly over as the two have been stealing many-a-shows, but haven't really had stellar mic work to carry their feud to the next level. The mic work they have had has been good, but not stand out. Many are pegging these two as the next generation of main eventers. Morrison, I'm sure you are familiar with. McIntyre has actually been quoted by Vince McMahon to be a future WWE/World Champion. They R-Truth/Jericho match is the only match that didn't advance any storyline. I commented on this match just to point out that Jericho losing didn't bother me, which seems to be a cardinal sin for others. 
This is the only statement that I disagree with enough to irk me. I used to hate CM Punk when he was a bland, boring face that was pushed so far down our throats. But Punk has turned out to be an excellent heel. Seriously, he's probably just third behind Jericho and Orton. I'd agree that his head shaving segments were too long (see prior SD! discussion threads), but he's finally advancing that storyline by creating his own heel stable, which has already gotten over better than any heel stable since Evolution. as I said previously, Punk and Luke Gallows (formerly Festus, if you don't know him by the name luke Gallows) is scheduled to challenge DX for the tag titles. Assuming DX is about to split to focus on single matches heading into the Rumble, there is a good chance that SES (Straight Edge Society) could win the tag titles. Thus, you can see his excellent heel work on Raw shortly. I don't think you watch SD!, at least not frequently, so maybe you've not been exposed to how well Punk has developed as a heel? |
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| 15 Shows | Jan 31 2010, 08:34 PM Post #59 |
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People take me seriously. Especially you my dear Cy Cy. Anywho, guest host beats no guest host. DX's lame comedy and lame entertainment beats no comedy and no entertainment. And Chris Jericho is mostly on RAW anyways. Maybe when Edge comes back, Smackdown may be worth watching. |
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| Nebuchanezzar | Feb 1 2010, 04:10 AM Post #60 |
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Cybrus I think you might have missed my point about you just listing things and not providing reasons as to why they suck/are good. Hence the "two can play at this game" comment. For the record, I think CM Punk is an exemplary wrestler and entertainer. Anyone who thinks he sucks is deluded. |
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